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Moodieonroody's avatar

They are definitely bonkers if they vote Restore rather than Reform at Makersfield tomorrow - even if they prefer Lowe. To let Burnham (complicit in ignoring the Pakistani r ape gangs according to Maggie Oliver) become MP for Makerfield and (who knows) PM would be a disaster imo.

It was Tommy Robinson (who is not a racist or jew hater) who told Rupert Lowe that he had a problem with racist and jew-hating supporters; and the condition for him joining was that Lowe would do something about it - but he hasn't. Now Tommy has Restore supporters calling him a 'Zionist shill' because he supports Jews in this country and also the state of Israel.

The timing of the Grooming (R ape) Gang report is obviously key but whilst I respect him and the victims and whistleblowers immensely for assisting him on that, I am fearful of what he really stands for due to the above, on top of his 'jewish camera' so-called joke when he didn't think he was being filmed by the Guardian - must as I despise the Guardian btw.

Clearly, many/most of his supporters would be happy to see the National Front come back.

What is Rupert Lowe up to? My father was a real orphan refugee - the kind that never cost the taxpayer a penny*. He lost all his family in the H and was grateful to live in UK and told me the English were the most tolerant in the world. He could not go back to his Polish home even if he wanted to, having lost his entire family in the worst way possible. He didn't hate Poles - was proud of their role in the Battle of Britain. But Poland had a pogrom against Jews *after* the H can you believe, and came under Soviet rule - although the country has of course changed considerably since then. ....

Fwiw my Mum's family immigrated from Russian Ukraine before WW2 - they also had terrible murderous pogroms. She lived through the blitz, loved rhubarb and custard (!) and said prayers for the Royal Family in synagogue.

My parents have passed away - would I and my family be deported under 'ethno' rules???

Pamela Watson's avatar

I was born in Australia. I am 3/4 English heritage with a bit of Scots and 1/8 German. But none of my parents or grandparents were born here. Which apparently means I should never be allowed to even be British according to some Restorers. I've been told I would be deported

SoBeIt🍄's avatar

I am German and Dutch descent but my family tree traces back into Queen Victoria’s lineage, but as I was born in Africa and have had legal British citizenship for 27 years, I too will be deported under Rupert’s cult…

Moodieonroody's avatar

*the Jewish community had to stump up the money - check out Martin Gilbert's book, "The Boys" if you're interested.

Mark LinuxGuy's avatar

Alex, what is your problem with Restore? They live in your head rent free. Again you’re making allegations without naming anyone, without providing evidence of what you’re railing against.

You know Restore is far more than, just online, you’ve seen the videos, you know they have over 350 branches.

The narrative that remigration (Daily Mail) is somehow ethnic cleansing plays exactly to your tune. The reality it is it’s not and you know that.

There’s never any mention of the actual ethnic cleansing of the native British. London, Manchester, Luton etc all minority white British. 22.5M immigrants shipped in to UK since 1950 against the will of the people. Yet you, your media buddies want to destroy the only party with actual policies and strength to ignore the noise from the left.

Why is this? Simple, because ultimately you, Farage, Reform are just as much part of the same establishment that will do and lie about anything to stop the native British reversing their replacement.

You talk about and know the issues yourself. You also know in your heart Reform and Nigel are nowhere near strong enough in either policy or character to do what’s ultimately necessary to reverse this. So ultimately, shame on you.

Moodieonroody's avatar

Many Restore supporters certainly are racist and jew hating - and some support NF and debunked individuals eg David Irving.

Victoria Cooper's avatar

Yeah, but you know what? That's not an argument. Many labour and conservatives members tacitly supported the rape grooming gangs. Which is worse - actual rape or supposed racism from non members?

Mark LinuxGuy's avatar

Not sure who your reply is to, obviously rape is way worse than being called a f’ing racist it’s for talking about it.

Victoria Cooper's avatar

Moodieonroody actually. Nice person and probably right, but like I said, not an argument.

Mark LinuxGuy's avatar

Again, which ones? The Mail article which btw is based on a report from Hope not Hate accuses three members of being white supremacists etc yet no evidence of that exists. One of them interviewed a supposedly American white nationalist.

You nor Alex get it. The party doesn’t do what others do in throwing out people based on pressure from the media or Marxist “think tanks”. Reform certainly do exactly that “that lot” about TR supporters etc.

I’m somebody that’s called out religious Jews and their spitting on and assaulting Christian’s in Jerusalem, also the Israeli politicians that termed this “a cultural practice”. I’ve also questioned how it is that when 2 Jews get stabbed by Islamists the government throw £25M at them, during the same period (10 years 2 Jewish deaths) over 30 native Brits have been murdered by Islamists and all we get is “shut up racist, stop noticing”.

Does that make me anti Jewish? To you maybe it does! Oh I have a Jewish friend in Israel that knows all the above. She doesn’t have a problem with me, in fact she’s agreed with me.

No UK party should have ethnic client groups affiliated with them bc they are pressure groups trying to shape policy in favour of their group. Reform has friends of Israel, that is wrong, the only influence they should have is from all law abiding citizens, with a lean towards these islands native people. That’s exactly what all non European democracies do including Israel!

key thinker's avatar

Michael Gove reads David Irving.

Pamela Watson's avatar

Genuine political parties don't need to insult people with utter disgusting gutter filth. They discuss policies. If you think telling a 65 year old Catholic woman that she "uses margarine to spread her legs" and has oral sex with Muslims is appropriate then you are off your head. If you think that calling me a "Jew spouting vomit" is appropriate you are barking. And when I pointed out I was a Christian the response was "you look like a Jew". For 18 months people claiming to support Lowe have called me a "filthy foreigner" who should be deported. I'm a white, Anglosaxin Australian. My English husband was called a "traitor" and told he'd be deported too. And whenever I mention any of this I'm called even more disgusting names and told I'm making it all up. Well enough. It's not professional. It's a disgrace.

JenP's avatar

Yes very well put.

Trevor Morgan's avatar

Objective proof please. Reform is not lilly white.

Harry Palmer Llama Farmer's avatar

I’ve been greatly disturbed by the amount of anti semitism I’ve seen from Restore supporters. They certainly seem to have their thuggish element also and we’ve seen some unsavoury actions in Makerfield from people who travelled up to “campaign” in a very confrontational manner …

Edwin Charles Ely's avatar

What do Restore propose regarding families who are formed from more than one ethnicity?

Mark LinuxGuy's avatar

Restore have never said anything about ethnic testing or purity bc they’re not a ethno nationalist party. They simply see the intrinsic good in the native British culture and that it should stand above imported ones.

As for mixed race families, it’s irrelevant bc they’re only seek to deport those here illegally (all 2M) and those that have committed crimes/covered up crimes or subverting our culture.

BTW I’m an ethno nationalist and Restore member. Restore don’t offer me want I want but they offer the closest I can get to it, they also offer a referendum on death penalty, holding those in the establishment that’ve caused the issues to account (Blair etc) they have solid economic policy and social and law n order policy plus much more. Alex and others know all the above, they don’t like them and want to destroy them bc Restore are anti establishment “the state has definitively become the enemy of the people” - Rupert Lowe (reasoning for setup the party).

Pamela Watson's avatar

Then why for 18 months have Lowe supporters td this white Anglosaxon Australian I'd be deported? Because I'm a "foreigner". I'm talking Steve Laws and Charlie Downes specifically but dozens of "supporters".

Becky's avatar
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As an ethno nationalist I do hope that you have no non British background in your family line for about the last 500 years otherwise you’ll be gone aswell due to this man you seem to worship. I’d have - I have French a few centuries back and Welsh a couple of centuries back. Though to be fair if I had to move to Wales it would be wholly better than an England run by the likes of Rupert Lowe. And to be fair I’d be happier living in France and that is saying something.

But if restore are so anti establishment do please tell me the following - why did Rupert Lowe accept a Conservative position to be a lead position in government group…. Infact why has he had anything to do with the conservatives at all that you are all so worried about being the establishment, why - if he is anti establishment and not a bitter little nasty vengeful vain twisted man (spoiler alert : that is exactly what he is and unfortunately he believed the utter rubbish that Elon Musk put in his brain when he fluffed his feathers and told him he was something special - and along comes the second spoiled alert he isn’t) - has he run a candidate in Makerfield where he knows there is no hope of winning thank god but is happy to let someone worse for the us and the country than Starmer win by splitting the vote but refuses to place someone in Aberdeen south incase it puts a Conservative win in jeopardy….. now most people who are able to critically analyse would pretty much start to realise there is something a little suspicious and awry going on there. What conversations have been going on in the background? What promises have been made? What would you think if Rupert Lowe acted to split the vote to give us another five years of Labour and heaven forbid a Lib Dem and/ or Green coalition?

As for the poor girls and boys used in that pseudo rape gang investigation I think it is despicable how he has used them to score political points and launch a party. And before you say I have no idea what I am talking about with regards abuse - I do, of the most innocuous and disturbing kind, which has taken me literally decades to get my life back from so you can stop right there. It’s despicable. And I would give him a real piece of my mind if he had used my story thusly. He had no scruples and is a much a disgrace to parliament as Keir Starmer and as completely and utterly driven by his own ego and power trips at the same time.

When we see the social media communications put out by Rupert Lowe’s accounts and more we see the utter vengeful, spiteful and wholly unpleasantness of those of the wider restore movement and though it may not be what he says himself he will know what is being said in his name and approve it - otherwise he would put a stop to it. When I hear the man speak I hear his smugness and utter disdain for people in general. I know a bully when I see one and as Alex also write’s I see that too.

In everything you have written you have actually proved Alex’s points about Restore and their supporters. Now I’ll do what you will never do and restore supporters and your esteemed leader will never do. I fear for a country that Rupert Lowe would lead (I think it’s so highly unlikely it will happen it’s as likely as me flying to the other side of the universe) because the hatred that if would actually lead to is unimaginable but on the other hand I do accept you are allowed you own view though I suspect you find it hard for others to do that. I am, however, as someone who lived a life I would hope to god you have never had to live, am also allowed my own view. That is the point of a democracy, and maybe you might have a think about that. I do not believe that Rupert Lowe is the answer. You do not believe Reform is the answer. However, also unlike you I will not come on to a restore platform and call you and those like you names and nor will I come on and say you are someone who wants to lie about anything to stop the native British reversing their replacement. That’s the biggest load of poppycock anyone has ever heard and certainly those who listen to Alex and her “media buddies” will know that. Because I have more respect for your democratic right than to step into your platforms and call you names and cast aspersions you are also “aware are untrue”. As one of Alex’s media buddies would say we can agree without being disagreeable. You clearly find that quite difficult to do.

Mark LinuxGuy's avatar

Rupert accept the committee position straight after Reform kicked him out. They were courting him, he’s spoken about it. He’s subsequently talked many times on his loathing of what they’ve become.

As for my ethnicity, I can trace mine back over a thousand years. I also have about 17% Danish in me. It’s called the English ethnos. The English in a more modern sense do have some influence from other Northern European nations (Scandinavia, northern France (usually traceable to which part of UK you’re family is from)mostly) that is literally who the English are. It’s one of the oldest and most researched people in the world.

You won’t go to Denmark and find people with 17% English for example. The argument that we are made up of all these different people is so low brow it’s laughable. All people from around the world are in the same boat. Ethnicity in terms of ethno nationalism is based on the ethnos of a nation from what is accepted as those people. In Englands case that’s usually regarded as 700-1000 years. Reality is if you are in that group you will have trace dna that dates back to people that inhabited these isles as far back as the Neolithic period.

You bring the rape gang inquiry into it, is that the one Farage promised to raise money for and do before dropping it 2 weeks later!

You haven’t proved anything “you’ve proved Alex’s point” how are you figuring that out?

You say a lot about the hate from Restore, what he says blah blah blah , you clearly don’t get it. Cowering and behaving like a scared little lamb bc heaven forbid you’re called racist or other nasty term is not fixing our country. It’s playing straight into the establishments hands. You do realise the terms you and Alex use are the lefts magic words they’ve used for decades to essentially ethically cleanse Britain? “Don’t say anything or rail against it bc you’ll be a racist, fascist” it’s pathetic and it no longer works.

Here’s a reality check, Restore are the moderates here. Because 10 years from now without a party like Restore being government, the next guy that comes along isn’t going to care too much about the previous peaceful democratic process. Things will be so bad by then, the people will follow anyone offering to fix it! Grow up!

Pamela Watson's avatar

And I'm descended from Edward IV but your lot still call me foreign.

Harry Palmer Llama Farmer's avatar

Bloody well said sir! 👏👏

Moodieonroody's avatar

The problem is that Rupert Lowe has failed to make this clear to his Restore supporters - check the comments eg Lotus Eaters & their pals.

Mark LinuxGuy's avatar

You’ll find they are aware, they are intelligent people far more connected to the party than I. In fact it’s those people that clarified stuff to me. But it’s all in the policies.

Are there outliers and some genuinely nasty people hanging on, yes probably. But as someone very active in the community I barely ever see genuine racist/sexist stuff these days. I see far more anti Muslim hate from Reform supporters tbh.

Michele Spong's avatar

Lowe was gifted a Tory seat on the PAC by Kemi after he'd discussed rejoining the Tories after Reform. Lowe appointed current Tories Susan Hall and Sir Gavin Williamson to the Restore board. He took on disgraced former Tory MP Scott Benton as comms chief. That looks like establishment to me.

JenP's avatar

No, that’s not what was said. Lowe specifically said he would deport any Pakistani/muslim who had broken the law even if they were British along with their whole family.

Fact. Perhaps you missed that.

Samantha Bostock's avatar

I cant believe your hypocrisy Alex, I watch your show & you want the streets safe like I do, yet you dont think Restore will do it!? Out of all the parties, they are the only ones not beholden to Muslim money, so that they can & will get rid of every illegal, every rape gang member & their family, likewise we will imprison those who stood by and let it happen. Kier, Jess, Andy & the civil, social & police services. Non national criminals and layabouts will also be deported. This will save millions & free up the NHS services too. Why would you vote for any other party??

Peter Craig-Jones's avatar

Oh dear Alex you really have gone over the cliff with your devotion to Nigel. The extremists that you denigrate were mostly Reform supporters not so long ago, and you remained silent. They have deserted Reform as Nigel welcomed in Conservatives has beens, and started drifting towards being an establishment party. Now the deserters have become extremists. when all they were looking for, was honesty and decency and a person they could believe in, someone who would bring real change. Not more of the same. The noise over Makersfield makes no sense, what difference who wins or loses, it is not going to change the government and in reality Burnham would probably do a better job of destroying Labour than Starmer. I suspect your fear is that Lowe may supersede Farage, in which case your coverage of Restore is biased and your article is not balanced. You need to be better than that.

Michele Spong's avatar

Lowe has talked about banning halal slaughter yet had no qualms about serving halal meat to the guests at his son's recent wedding to a non-British Muslim. I wonder whether he plans to deport his new daughter-in-law and her family.

TD Craig's avatar

While I think there is something in this article, I also think it goes too far in fostering a sense of difference between Reform and Restore supporters. Which may not ultimately be very helpful. We might indeed argue that Reform supporters are generally more pragmatic, or realistic, than their counterparts within the Restore camp. But even that is debatable, and I think we do better generally to emphasise the very significant commonalities between the two movements. Both sides, after all, are a product of catastrophic establishment failure, and both want to see an end to the anti-national policies of successive UK governments. This is what we would should focus on, I think, rather than trying to undermine each other. Which is what our real enemy would clearly most like to see. We simply cannot afford to be engaged in bickering about which set of pro-national supporters are best.

K Wu's avatar

Alex you were unmissable on talktv until you went on holiday to Egypt... Pharaoh's curse on you?

lee b's avatar

Millions will go and we dont care if you dont like it. Get used to it, Restore are here to win.

Victoria Cooper's avatar

I'm not even going to try to be a rational voice in the hubbub of this deranged hysteria. No, actually there is one thing I will say, Rupert Lowe and his work force are not ethnonats, read the manifesto before spouting off. Sorry, silly idea.

Paul's avatar

You should be ashamed of yourself, lets hope none of those supporters get attacked like young Bob.

Karen Stillwell's avatar

Both sides have to retain rationality and dignified intelligent fact based debate in order to avoid conflict. Unfortunately as you have experienced, this is rarely the case in heightened volatile conditions - as we are reaching towards now. The corrupt as always leftwing ideologues will not accept facts and evidence. Therein lies the causality of every uncivil War and conflict. Humans do not learn from history in enough numbers - corrupt Govts and educational zealotry, then it just continues to repeat itself. I don't believe in Govt. And I don't believe in education systems.